<Dd> If this page is not best suited for the discussion to take place, this is not pertinent here, but I should make a clarification nonetheless that I think is of utmost importance: when the second editor "expressed incredulity over whether that awkward construction could possibly be correct", this was with regards to the totally incorrect wording (ie, lack of a comma) in "...a gossip column published in the Daily Express a British newspaper .", not the original edit, "...a gossip column published in the British newspaper the Daily Express". (Though he may also feel incredulous over that edit .) Deor, I did suggest that wording, but on further consideration I see no reason to drop the "the" over some very slight clunkiness when you would otherwise always use it (eg . "I bought the Daily Express", not "I bought Daily Express"). Please see Talk: William Hickey (columnist) for the full discussion . Alexetc (talk) 17: 44, 6 June 2013 (UTC) <Dl> <Dd> That's correct . As the "other editor", I certainly did not express incredulity over the fact that Alexetc's wording "could possibly be correct". I objected to it initially (and still dislike it), but what I did express incredulity over was TransporterMan's claim that the same principle of omitting the comma should be applied to a further ("C") wording that I had proposed (and, at that point, implemented), which was precisely the wording suggested above by User: Andrew Gray . Anyone still interested in further discussion had better go back to the article talk page! Ghmyrtle (talk) 17: 59, 6 June 2013 (UTC) </Dd> </Dl> </Dd> <Dl> <Dd> That's correct . As the "other editor", I certainly did not express incredulity over the fact that Alexetc's wording "could possibly be correct". I objected to it initially (and still dislike it), but what I did express incredulity over was TransporterMan's claim that the same principle of omitting the comma should be applied to a further ("C") wording that I had proposed (and, at that point, implemented), which was precisely the wording suggested above by User: Andrew Gray . Anyone still interested in further discussion had better go back to the article talk page! Ghmyrtle (talk) 17: 59, 6 June 2013 (UTC) </Dd> </Dl> <Dd> That's correct . As the "other editor", I certainly did not express incredulity over the fact that Alexetc's wording "could possibly be correct". I objected to it initially (and still dislike it), but what I did express incredulity over was TransporterMan's claim that the same principle of omitting the comma should be applied to a further ("C") wording that I had proposed (and, at that point, implemented), which was precisely the wording suggested above by User: Andrew Gray . Anyone still interested in further discussion had better go back to the article talk page! Ghmyrtle (talk) 17: 59, 6 June 2013 (UTC) </Dd> <P> I think I've been wrong about just about everything here . This does, indeed, need to go back to the article talk page and, if no resolution can be had there (in which I will not participate further), should go on to DRN, where I will also not participate . Sheepishly, TransporterMan (TALK) 18: 18, 6 June 2013 (UTC) </P>

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