<Dd> In any case, in one example "Tony" is clearly before the entire Chinese name and in the other example "Tony" is clearly after it, so there's no contradiction . And the following sentence (General usage tend to prefer placing the Western name first as this permits the Western and Chinese name order to be preserved simultaneously (ex . "Tony Tan" and "Tan Keng Yam" can be combined to "Tony Tan Keng Yam")) makes it obvious that "Tan" is the family name . I will also add a hyphen in the given name . (Actually, his romanized name appears to be written most commonly in non-hyphenated form .) rʨanaɢ / 11: 11, 4 October 2009 (UTC) <Dl> <Dd> If the rule is that "...it is equally acceptable for Western names to appear before or after the entire Chinese name ...", then why isn't it stated that way? The rule as given would allow "Tan Tony Keng Yam", if your identification of the name elements is correct, which I have to take your word for . You say that it is obvious that "Tan" is the family name because it is both preceded by "Tony" in one example and followed by "Tony" in the other . The same can be said for "Keng" and "Yam"; so it's not really obvious unless you already know what looks like a family name and what looks like a given name . I think that the article would be improved by examples that do not need to be decoded, especially when prior knowledge of Chinese is required for that .--Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.86. 92.198 (talk) 20: 24, 14 October 2009 (UTC) </Dd> </Dl> </Dd> <Dl> <Dd> If the rule is that "...it is equally acceptable for Western names to appear before or after the entire Chinese name ...", then why isn't it stated that way? The rule as given would allow "Tan Tony Keng Yam", if your identification of the name elements is correct, which I have to take your word for . You say that it is obvious that "Tan" is the family name because it is both preceded by "Tony" in one example and followed by "Tony" in the other . The same can be said for "Keng" and "Yam"; so it's not really obvious unless you already know what looks like a family name and what looks like a given name . I think that the article would be improved by examples that do not need to be decoded, especially when prior knowledge of Chinese is required for that .--Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.86. 92.198 (talk) 20: 24, 14 October 2009 (UTC) </Dd> </Dl> <Dd> If the rule is that "...it is equally acceptable for Western names to appear before or after the entire Chinese name ...", then why isn't it stated that way? The rule as given would allow "Tan Tony Keng Yam", if your identification of the name elements is correct, which I have to take your word for . You say that it is obvious that "Tan" is the family name because it is both preceded by "Tony" in one example and followed by "Tony" in the other . The same can be said for "Keng" and "Yam"; so it's not really obvious unless you already know what looks like a family name and what looks like a given name . I think that the article would be improved by examples that do not need to be decoded, especially when prior knowledge of Chinese is required for that .--Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.86. 92.198 (talk) 20: 24, 14 October 2009 (UTC) </Dd> <P> I think the statement "Mr. + Given name is never used" is totally wrong . Since Mr. is translated as 先生, and 先生 has a longer history and is actually have different meaning . Given name + 先生 is in fact very common in practice, moreover Given name + salutary tile (先生, comrade, 师傅, etc .) is a friendly way to call people .--刻意 (Kèyì) 10: 36, 18 February 2011 (UTC) </P>

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